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	<title>Comments on: Abstract Paintings : The Reality of Abstract Art Philosophy</title>
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		<title>By: Pagani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pagani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 16:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian, I don&#039;t have any basic disagreements with what you have said.  I think there is a lot of abstract art that is &quot;unpleasing&quot; because it&#039;s much harder to do than people think.  There is this tendency with abstract art for people to say, &quot;My kid could do that&quot; ...well, the answer is &#039;maybe&#039; but more than likely your kid wouldn&#039;t do it very well.  There are rules to creating a great abstract painting - things about depth, balance, values - that are much harder to divine or intuit. Everyone knows a pretty sunset when they see it; an abstract painting that draws the viewer in has things going for it that are much harder to articulate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian, I don&#8217;t have any basic disagreements with what you have said.  I think there is a lot of abstract art that is &#8220;unpleasing&#8221; because it&#8217;s much harder to do than people think.  There is this tendency with abstract art for people to say, &#8220;My kid could do that&#8221; &#8230;well, the answer is &#8216;maybe&#8217; but more than likely your kid wouldn&#8217;t do it very well.  There are rules to creating a great abstract painting &#8211; things about depth, balance, values &#8211; that are much harder to divine or intuit. Everyone knows a pretty sunset when they see it; an abstract painting that draws the viewer in has things going for it that are much harder to articulate.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 18:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a realistic artist, but I have worked in abstract on occasion. I create my landscapes mostly from my imagination, however, I have painted scenes from places I have been. Just taking a picture does not capture the feeling and mood that I felt when I was there. Creating a good realistic painting captures the feeling that a photo just is not able to do as well. Anyway, I am frustrated by the comment that someone on here made, &#039;that it is easier to copy from nature then to paint abstract art&#039;. I feel to do either one well takes great skill! I would like to see that person paint the way I do easily! Anyway, I have seen a lot of abstract I did not like at all, but from time to time I see something that stands out. With those pieces I have seen detail with abstraction and the movement and textures were interesting. I would however suggest to any new artist, to start with realistic and then after you feel pleased with your abilities move to abstract if you want. The abstract art will be much better for it. As an artist I respect other artists more if they can do both! I paint more realistic because that is what sells in my neck of the woods. There are a lot of people who simply want something they can relate to and that is pleasing to look at. Why is there so much abstract that is unpleasing? But yet when I see a good pleasing abstract it really stands out! Thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a realistic artist, but I have worked in abstract on occasion. I create my landscapes mostly from my imagination, however, I have painted scenes from places I have been. Just taking a picture does not capture the feeling and mood that I felt when I was there. Creating a good realistic painting captures the feeling that a photo just is not able to do as well. Anyway, I am frustrated by the comment that someone on here made, &#8216;that it is easier to copy from nature then to paint abstract art&#8217;. I feel to do either one well takes great skill! I would like to see that person paint the way I do easily! Anyway, I have seen a lot of abstract I did not like at all, but from time to time I see something that stands out. With those pieces I have seen detail with abstraction and the movement and textures were interesting. I would however suggest to any new artist, to start with realistic and then after you feel pleased with your abilities move to abstract if you want. The abstract art will be much better for it. As an artist I respect other artists more if they can do both! I paint more realistic because that is what sells in my neck of the woods. There are a lot of people who simply want something they can relate to and that is pleasing to look at. Why is there so much abstract that is unpleasing? But yet when I see a good pleasing abstract it really stands out! Thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Pagani for the majority, however I will add my personal experience/perspective with abstract and representational art. In my conception of abstract art the term &quot;expressionism&quot; is the key to understanding any reason for the purpose in the art. With the more famous abstract artist, Pollock being the best example, the process in creation is a process of visually representing a continuing stream of consciousness. In zen Buddhism, meditation at its basic level is the process of passively observing a stream of consciousness. This can to  some degree be said that the creation of abstract art on a non-representational and expressive plane is a process of meditation, whereas the point of intuitive guidance is impulsion without obstruction of the conscious mind. The reason for this goes back to psychoanalysis (which most &quot;real&quot; abstract artist were heavily involved with). The process of this &quot;meditation&quot; in the creation of abstract art which represents a continuing stream of consciousness that is not conscious thinking means that it is actually a representation of a continuous stream of unconscious processes. This in turn means that it can be reflected upon in the process of psychoanalysis. To take this further, the process of psychoanalysis uses symbols (which can be represented in a plethora of ways including experiences) to &quot;understand&quot; the origin of these unconscious processes. These symbols are translated by the individual in his/her reflection of their experiences in life from a individual perspective input only and the psychiatrist being a mentor/help guide the direction of where to look for reflection. When this is successful this in therapy leads to an explanation to the individual the reason and origin for a number of complexes and psychological disorders. The abstract art itself in completion is a symbol of a unconscious symptom or state of mind, and in that case is a symbol of unconscious experience that includes material worth individual reflection. Think of abstract art more as a dream that has been fragmented into reality. Because of this being a symbol of an individual mind state, it becomes meaningful mostly to the artist and this is where the controversy begins to creep into its shadow. The problem is not abstract art but (in american society) the ignorance and naivety of mind which the majority is sadly plagued with. Most of the viewers that see great works likes Pollock&#039;s (again) do not have the insight to be able to derive their individual experience of what the symbol represents to them, they just &quot;like it&quot; but they aren&#039;t sure why, and it makes them feel strange. This is mostly due to the way american society has been conditioned. This naivety of the viewer can be shown as to why the media and advertising is so effective, it acts on an unconscious level and so you think &quot;oh, I&#039;m hungry&quot; or &quot;I&#039;m thirsty&quot; when you see a mcdonalds or coca cola advertisement. In saying that, the work itself should not be considered to be only meaningful to only the artist. Instead the purpose is to expand the awareness of the viewer to a higher state of consciousness. This, to me means that not only is abstract art, &quot;art&quot; (more like Abstract Surrealism art) but I feel that in this perspective, it has transcended the purpose of &quot;Art&quot; in evolution into something which has a much higher purpose then aethetics. Initiating the movement of unconscious processes through the visual system to be interpreted in individual perspective of total conscious system re-evaluation. Seems like a much more purposeful mission statement than communicating a particular message (which will only be interpreted in a limited number of ways as opposed to infinite).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Pagani for the majority, however I will add my personal experience/perspective with abstract and representational art. In my conception of abstract art the term &#8220;expressionism&#8221; is the key to understanding any reason for the purpose in the art. With the more famous abstract artist, Pollock being the best example, the process in creation is a process of visually representing a continuing stream of consciousness. In zen Buddhism, meditation at its basic level is the process of passively observing a stream of consciousness. This can to  some degree be said that the creation of abstract art on a non-representational and expressive plane is a process of meditation, whereas the point of intuitive guidance is impulsion without obstruction of the conscious mind. The reason for this goes back to psychoanalysis (which most &#8220;real&#8221; abstract artist were heavily involved with). The process of this &#8220;meditation&#8221; in the creation of abstract art which represents a continuing stream of consciousness that is not conscious thinking means that it is actually a representation of a continuous stream of unconscious processes. This in turn means that it can be reflected upon in the process of psychoanalysis. To take this further, the process of psychoanalysis uses symbols (which can be represented in a plethora of ways including experiences) to &#8220;understand&#8221; the origin of these unconscious processes. These symbols are translated by the individual in his/her reflection of their experiences in life from a individual perspective input only and the psychiatrist being a mentor/help guide the direction of where to look for reflection. When this is successful this in therapy leads to an explanation to the individual the reason and origin for a number of complexes and psychological disorders. The abstract art itself in completion is a symbol of a unconscious symptom or state of mind, and in that case is a symbol of unconscious experience that includes material worth individual reflection. Think of abstract art more as a dream that has been fragmented into reality. Because of this being a symbol of an individual mind state, it becomes meaningful mostly to the artist and this is where the controversy begins to creep into its shadow. The problem is not abstract art but (in american society) the ignorance and naivety of mind which the majority is sadly plagued with. Most of the viewers that see great works likes Pollock&#8217;s (again) do not have the insight to be able to derive their individual experience of what the symbol represents to them, they just &#8220;like it&#8221; but they aren&#8217;t sure why, and it makes them feel strange. This is mostly due to the way american society has been conditioned. This naivety of the viewer can be shown as to why the media and advertising is so effective, it acts on an unconscious level and so you think &#8220;oh, I&#8217;m hungry&#8221; or &#8220;I&#8217;m thirsty&#8221; when you see a mcdonalds or coca cola advertisement. In saying that, the work itself should not be considered to be only meaningful to only the artist. Instead the purpose is to expand the awareness of the viewer to a higher state of consciousness. This, to me means that not only is abstract art, &#8220;art&#8221; (more like Abstract Surrealism art) but I feel that in this perspective, it has transcended the purpose of &#8220;Art&#8221; in evolution into something which has a much higher purpose then aethetics. Initiating the movement of unconscious processes through the visual system to be interpreted in individual perspective of total conscious system re-evaluation. Seems like a much more purposeful mission statement than communicating a particular message (which will only be interpreted in a limited number of ways as opposed to infinite).</p>
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		<title>By: Pagani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pagani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Alex, that&#039;s fine! &quot;What the hell is that&quot; is a reaction, after all, and generally speaking that&#039;s what abstract artists are going for. And this highlights a difference between various forms of representational art and abstract art: The realist&#039;s work screams, &quot;Look at me! Look at my wonderful draftsman-like skills. See how well I can copy a photograph?&quot; The abstract artist&#039;s work says, &quot;Look at this thing... what is it?&quot;

If you want to make a living at art, you probably will need to be an impressionist. People like art where they can say, &quot;boy,  that guy is good.&quot;  With &quot;good&quot; in this case meaning, the work looks kind of like a photograph. Representational art consumes ...oh, about 95 percent of the available gallery space in America.

If you want to make people look think about the art instead of thinking about you, then abstract art may be the thing. The fact that few understand it is part of its beauty. Most likely, nobody will ever know who you are. You might sell some work to corporate clients - they tend to like the mystery and &#039;non-statement&#039; kind of statement that abstract art makes - but you&#039;ll likely live and die in obscurity.

It&#039;s a lifestyle choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Alex, that&#8217;s fine! &#8220;What the hell is that&#8221; is a reaction, after all, and generally speaking that&#8217;s what abstract artists are going for. And this highlights a difference between various forms of representational art and abstract art: The realist&#8217;s work screams, &#8220;Look at me! Look at my wonderful draftsman-like skills. See how well I can copy a photograph?&#8221; The abstract artist&#8217;s work says, &#8220;Look at this thing&#8230; what is it?&#8221;</p>
<p>If you want to make a living at art, you probably will need to be an impressionist. People like art where they can say, &#8220;boy,  that guy is good.&#8221;  With &#8220;good&#8221; in this case meaning, the work looks kind of like a photograph. Representational art consumes &#8230;oh, about 95 percent of the available gallery space in America.</p>
<p>If you want to make people look think about the art instead of thinking about you, then abstract art may be the thing. The fact that few understand it is part of its beauty. Most likely, nobody will ever know who you are. You might sell some work to corporate clients &#8211; they tend to like the mystery and &#8216;non-statement&#8217; kind of statement that abstract art makes &#8211; but you&#8217;ll likely live and die in obscurity.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a lifestyle choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know abstract art isn&#039;t an excuse for unskilled artists...
I know they believe it&#039;s something profound...
and it might just be...
However, for those of us that don&#039;t know the rules to the complex color/position theory game you&#039;re playing, it just doesn&#039;t look very impressive.
If there&#039;s a subconscious shift going on, it&#039;s getting blocked out by my conscious &quot;What the hell is that?&quot; attitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know abstract art isn&#8217;t an excuse for unskilled artists&#8230;<br />
I know they believe it&#8217;s something profound&#8230;<br />
and it might just be&#8230;<br />
However, for those of us that don&#8217;t know the rules to the complex color/position theory game you&#8217;re playing, it just doesn&#8217;t look very impressive.<br />
If there&#8217;s a subconscious shift going on, it&#8217;s getting blocked out by my conscious &#8220;What the hell is that?&#8221; attitude.</p>
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		<title>By: Shobha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shobha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 05:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Need sponser and pltform to create and sell new discoveries about human mind through painting</description>
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		<title>By: Kids wall art</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kids wall art</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 02:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the difficulty of abstract art.  It seems much easier to &quot;copy&quot; art from nature, or an outside source, but to take a thought or idea out of your head and make a visual picture of it is so difficult.  I never can quite capture my thoughts or imagination in a way that makes me happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the difficulty of abstract art.  It seems much easier to &#8220;copy&#8221; art from nature, or an outside source, but to take a thought or idea out of your head and make a visual picture of it is so difficult.  I never can quite capture my thoughts or imagination in a way that makes me happy.</p>
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		<title>By: Brittany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brittany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everybody is differnt when it comes to art. Some people may say that their is only one kind of good art and that is when the artist captures a beautiful scene on a peice of paper or canvas.  I belived that way for a long time.  I couldnt get meaning from an abstract art. I belive its has to do with where and how I was brought up.  I was brought up in a hard-working rural area. I lived on a farm.  I blame my upbringing that made me so ignorant.  I just didnt know that art was supposed to have meaning. We&#039;re not tought these things. We were tought to feed the animals, do your homework and to be a good human being.  I can&#039;t imagine my dad telling me how art has these meanings and that we are supposed to be open mined about them while we were raking up horse manure.  I&#039;m not saying that it can&#039;t happen but, that some of us people are ignorant to your art, as you might be ignorant to some of the things other people do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everybody is differnt when it comes to art. Some people may say that their is only one kind of good art and that is when the artist captures a beautiful scene on a peice of paper or canvas.  I belived that way for a long time.  I couldnt get meaning from an abstract art. I belive its has to do with where and how I was brought up.  I was brought up in a hard-working rural area. I lived on a farm.  I blame my upbringing that made me so ignorant.  I just didnt know that art was supposed to have meaning. We&#8217;re not tought these things. We were tought to feed the animals, do your homework and to be a good human being.  I can&#8217;t imagine my dad telling me how art has these meanings and that we are supposed to be open mined about them while we were raking up horse manure.  I&#8217;m not saying that it can&#8217;t happen but, that some of us people are ignorant to your art, as you might be ignorant to some of the things other people do.</p>
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		<title>By: O.L.</title>
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		<dc:creator>O.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abstract- Expression IS the highest form of the visual arts. Music, being the highest of all the arts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abstract- Expression IS the highest form of the visual arts. Music, being the highest of all the arts.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Sebor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Sebor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Art is subjective. Those with influence, power and money are able to reach the public. They can promote and implant concepts, opinions and isms. To say people don&#039;t like abstract art because they are too dumb to understand it seems a bit pretentious to me. They just don&#039;t like it. There are, I&#039;m sure, plenty of rocket scientists who don&#039;t like it. Also you don&#039;t need to be a genius to make it either. Every artists needs and wants to be appreciated, but to what degree? There are some of us who buy into the illusion created by profiteers as to what success is and what good art is or isn’t. Wouldn&#039;t it be nice if people knew what they liked no-matter what anyone else said, big or small.? I personally like and dislike art of all isms.
&lt;blockquote&gt;I didn&#039;t say they were &lt;em&gt;all&lt;/em&gt; too dumb. SOME of them are. Others are just ill-informed. It is fine if you decide that you don&#039;t like abstract art having understood its nature and purpose. Deciding that you don&#039;t like abstract art - or anything else - because you don&#039;t understand it, however, is the definition of ignorance. If you are going to attack me, at least get your facts straight. &lt;i&gt;--cp&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art is subjective. Those with influence, power and money are able to reach the public. They can promote and implant concepts, opinions and isms. To say people don&#8217;t like abstract art because they are too dumb to understand it seems a bit pretentious to me. They just don&#8217;t like it. There are, I&#8217;m sure, plenty of rocket scientists who don&#8217;t like it. Also you don&#8217;t need to be a genius to make it either. Every artists needs and wants to be appreciated, but to what degree? There are some of us who buy into the illusion created by profiteers as to what success is and what good art is or isn’t. Wouldn&#8217;t it be nice if people knew what they liked no-matter what anyone else said, big or small.? I personally like and dislike art of all isms.</p>
<blockquote><p>I didn&#8217;t say they were <em>all</em> too dumb. SOME of them are. Others are just ill-informed. It is fine if you decide that you don&#8217;t like abstract art having understood its nature and purpose. Deciding that you don&#8217;t like abstract art &#8211; or anything else &#8211; because you don&#8217;t understand it, however, is the definition of ignorance. If you are going to attack me, at least get your facts straight. <i>&#8211;cp</i></p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Pharmboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pharmboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have repeatedly tried to &quot;get&quot; abstract expressionism.  I am a NYer,so MOMA, The Whitney and others were always accessible.  Stella, Ken Nolan, et. al., I have seen their stuff. Never liked it--the only exception were some big drippy canvasses by Barnett Newman at the Guggenheim that I thought were &quot;pretty.&quot;  But nothing like what Hopper or Demuth can do forme--not even in the same universe.

Look man,if you have to keep expaining and justifying it ain&#039;t art.
&lt;blockquote&gt;I DON&#039;T have to explain it. I only provide information for those who might be interested. I think maybe you have tried too hard to &quot;get&quot; abstract art and not enough time experiencing it. For that is the point, you see; it is art to be experienced, not picked apart&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have repeatedly tried to &#8220;get&#8221; abstract expressionism.  I am a NYer,so MOMA, The Whitney and others were always accessible.  Stella, Ken Nolan, et. al., I have seen their stuff. Never liked it&#8211;the only exception were some big drippy canvasses by Barnett Newman at the Guggenheim that I thought were &#8220;pretty.&#8221;  But nothing like what Hopper or Demuth can do forme&#8211;not even in the same universe.</p>
<p>Look man,if you have to keep expaining and justifying it ain&#8217;t art.</p>
<blockquote><p>I DON&#8217;T have to explain it. I only provide information for those who might be interested. I think maybe you have tried too hard to &#8220;get&#8221; abstract art and not enough time experiencing it. For that is the point, you see; it is art to be experienced, not picked apart</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: penciler</title>
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		<dc:creator>penciler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 03:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lack of readily definable meaning...causing your brain to work harder...hmm bourbon...brass balls...funny curves and some cheap perfume. Woops lost my train of thought.  
I must understand good art. I love art just not abstract art because I see it as Brass Balls because, as you stated, that&#039;s what they are. So as it turns out, abstract art is not readily available. 
I&#039;m off to read your article. Should I take bourbon as shots or sip it?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Whichever works for you. I like to mix it up a bit. As for abstract art and the brass balls approach, I don&#039;t think this applies to all abstract work and I clearly think it doesn&#039;t apply to my own work. For a non-me example of how abstract art can warp your neurons, do a search for Kandinsky on the &#039;Net and look at some of his stuff. &lt;i&gt;-- Pagani&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lack of readily definable meaning&#8230;causing your brain to work harder&#8230;hmm bourbon&#8230;brass balls&#8230;funny curves and some cheap perfume. Woops lost my train of thought.<br />
I must understand good art. I love art just not abstract art because I see it as Brass Balls because, as you stated, that&#8217;s what they are. So as it turns out, abstract art is not readily available.<br />
I&#8217;m off to read your article. Should I take bourbon as shots or sip it?</p>
<blockquote><p>Whichever works for you. I like to mix it up a bit. As for abstract art and the brass balls approach, I don&#8217;t think this applies to all abstract work and I clearly think it doesn&#8217;t apply to my own work. For a non-me example of how abstract art can warp your neurons, do a search for Kandinsky on the &#8216;Net and look at some of his stuff. <i>&#8211; Pagani</i></p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: penciler</title>
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		<dc:creator>penciler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 05:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not Enough weed? Damnit I knew that sack was to light,I should&#039;ve known. Well Pagani, or should I call you big one, am I onto something or just stuck in a rut? Where do I find enlightenment to your great art?

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;The Artist Replies:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

Do you &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; need to find enlightenment in art? Okay, the short version: There is a secret to all of this... but first, the Princeton definition of art: &quot;The products of human creativity&quot;; Or Wikipedia: &quot;The term art is used to describe a particular type of creative production generated by human beings, and the term usually implies some degree of aesthetic value. An artist makes a work of art for various purposes, such as creating an experience for others or as part of a ritual.&quot;  - So whatever is art to the artist, IS art. The secret is coming up next...

 Abstract art uses shapes and negative space rather than representations of actual objects, hopefully in ways that cause your brain to take a second look as it tries to (and sometimes does) discern a particular meaning or form. So the secret of abstract art is that the very lack of readily definable meaning causes your brain to work a little harder - maybe use a few more neurons! - trying to interpret the &quot;message.&quot;  Many art fans and perhaps even most abstract artists don&#039;t  get this, unfortunately.

I admit that this neuron-baiting process doesn&#039;t work that well in web images. But if you go to a gallery and look at some GOOD abstract art in person, you may find a startling effect. Therefore, to answer your question, enlightenment &lt;i&gt;may&lt;/i&gt; be achieved by expanding your mind through the personal visual study of well-crafted abstract images. But I also know  that abstract art which actually produces this effect may be hard to come by. If interested further, you may read my short article: &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chrisspagani.com/9/abstract-paintings-the-reality-of-abstract-art-philosophy/&quot; title=&quot;Abstract art explained and defined - its secret power&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Meaning of Abstract Art&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;.

If you perused my site a bit more, you&#039;d note that I have written about why &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chrisspagani.com/143/art-sucks-it-really-does/&quot; title=&quot;modern art sucks, it really does&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;most Modern Art is Crap&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; - so we might be in partial agreement, but you need to UNDERSTAND the reason WHY it is crap.

The problem isn&#039;t with the concept of abstract art, for such art has an important place when you understand its nature and purpose as I have shown. The problem is that in recent times many artists have taken the route that I refer to as the BRASS BALLS approach to painting: Instead of working to produce pieces that expand the mind of the viewer, some lowlifes have been doing things like putting a single dot on a canvas and calling it &quot;The Passion of Christ&quot; or whatever - kind of daring you to &quot;not get it.&quot;  I would STILL say that this is art, but in my opinion it is BAD art and closer to used car salesmanship than anything else.

Then they paint the canvas red all over and call it &quot;A Dozen Roses&quot;. Again, it is still art but the function is questionable.

The reason I think that my abstract art is better than most is because it isn&#039;t &quot;brass balls&quot; abstract work but rather is produced from my deep and long-studied understanding of how visual edges, lines and visual fields interact with the neural wiring of the viewer, and how that interaction can work to produce non-standard and asymmetric brain effects. You can thank my degree from Western Medical College for that. :)

Nothing here should be interpreted to suggest that representational art is a lesser art form or that it is in any way inferior to abstract art. Abstract and representational work simply have different purposes.

BTW, I usually prefer a good bourbon.  Your choice of the zacate ingles has its own unique and powerful mind altering effects as well but the policemen I see on a daily basis would not approve.&lt;i&gt; -- Pagani&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not Enough weed? Damnit I knew that sack was to light,I should&#8217;ve known. Well Pagani, or should I call you big one, am I onto something or just stuck in a rut? Where do I find enlightenment to your great art?</p>
<blockquote><p><i><b>The Artist Replies:</b></i></p>
<p>Do you <i>really</i> need to find enlightenment in art? Okay, the short version: There is a secret to all of this&#8230; but first, the Princeton definition of art: &#8220;The products of human creativity&#8221;; Or Wikipedia: &#8220;The term art is used to describe a particular type of creative production generated by human beings, and the term usually implies some degree of aesthetic value. An artist makes a work of art for various purposes, such as creating an experience for others or as part of a ritual.&#8221;  &#8211; So whatever is art to the artist, IS art. The secret is coming up next&#8230;</p>
<p> Abstract art uses shapes and negative space rather than representations of actual objects, hopefully in ways that cause your brain to take a second look as it tries to (and sometimes does) discern a particular meaning or form. So the secret of abstract art is that the very lack of readily definable meaning causes your brain to work a little harder &#8211; maybe use a few more neurons! &#8211; trying to interpret the &#8220;message.&#8221;  Many art fans and perhaps even most abstract artists don&#8217;t  get this, unfortunately.</p>
<p>I admit that this neuron-baiting process doesn&#8217;t work that well in web images. But if you go to a gallery and look at some GOOD abstract art in person, you may find a startling effect. Therefore, to answer your question, enlightenment <i>may</i> be achieved by expanding your mind through the personal visual study of well-crafted abstract images. But I also know  that abstract art which actually produces this effect may be hard to come by. If interested further, you may read my short article: <b><a href="http://www.chrisspagani.com/9/abstract-paintings-the-reality-of-abstract-art-philosophy/" title="Abstract art explained and defined - its secret power" rel="nofollow">The Meaning of Abstract Art</a></b>.</p>
<p>If you perused my site a bit more, you&#8217;d note that I have written about why <b><a href="http://www.chrisspagani.com/143/art-sucks-it-really-does/" title="modern art sucks, it really does" rel="nofollow">most Modern Art is Crap</a></b> &#8211; so we might be in partial agreement, but you need to UNDERSTAND the reason WHY it is crap.</p>
<p>The problem isn&#8217;t with the concept of abstract art, for such art has an important place when you understand its nature and purpose as I have shown. The problem is that in recent times many artists have taken the route that I refer to as the BRASS BALLS approach to painting: Instead of working to produce pieces that expand the mind of the viewer, some lowlifes have been doing things like putting a single dot on a canvas and calling it &#8220;The Passion of Christ&#8221; or whatever &#8211; kind of daring you to &#8220;not get it.&#8221;  I would STILL say that this is art, but in my opinion it is BAD art and closer to used car salesmanship than anything else.</p>
<p>Then they paint the canvas red all over and call it &#8220;A Dozen Roses&#8221;. Again, it is still art but the function is questionable.</p>
<p>The reason I think that my abstract art is better than most is because it isn&#8217;t &#8220;brass balls&#8221; abstract work but rather is produced from my deep and long-studied understanding of how visual edges, lines and visual fields interact with the neural wiring of the viewer, and how that interaction can work to produce non-standard and asymmetric brain effects. You can thank my degree from Western Medical College for that. <img src='http://www.chrisspagani.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Nothing here should be interpreted to suggest that representational art is a lesser art form or that it is in any way inferior to abstract art. Abstract and representational work simply have different purposes.</p>
<p>BTW, I usually prefer a good bourbon.  Your choice of the zacate ingles has its own unique and powerful mind altering effects as well but the policemen I see on a daily basis would not approve.<i> &#8212; Pagani</i></p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: penciler</title>
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		<dc:creator>penciler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 08:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abstract art is bullshit and don&#039;t let anyone tell you different. An elephant can do it in less than five minutes. I know some people argue that the human brain is unfathomable. They say that just to make you feel superior to my elephant example. Painting does require real skills. Experience teaches you technique. Light and shadows are nothing but that but a skilled painter will not give two people examining his/her painting walk away with two different &quot;interpretation&quot; but a single concrete emotion.   Splashing colors on top of each other is child&#039;s play. That just makes people wonder what the hell you were thinking and you did it because you don&#039;t know how to observe your own mind/emotion. Smoke some weed and get some real inspiration, because I believe bud helps you sslllooooww down, so you can examine yourself-your mind-your environment and your feelings. Before you argue about drug use, ancient cilivization used it to see &#039;visions&#039; and drew that on the cave walls. Second: How many great painters where consider crazy? Art isn&#039;t just about painting. How many musicians were high? Were they as good as the sober ones? They tapped into something that isn&#039;t real and made it real through emotions. The Government can restrict that, but we&#039;re just animals and after us is a beast, an elephant that does abstract &#039;art&#039;. My last thought: If you don&#039;t want to do drugs then don&#039;t sleep. Same effect. I bet you didn&#039;t know that. Good day. 

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&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Clearly, you are not smoking ENOUGH weed. I mean, perhaps if you get high &lt;u&gt;enough&lt;/u&gt;, you&#039;ll finally grasp the true nature of art. Or not. Either way, however, I&#039;ve covered this subject in a comprehensive manner so I&#039;m not going to rehash it here. Someday, little one, - if you truly strive to transcend - you will know enough to discuss this subject with me.&lt;/i&gt; -- Pagani&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abstract art is bullshit and don&#8217;t let anyone tell you different. An elephant can do it in less than five minutes. I know some people argue that the human brain is unfathomable. They say that just to make you feel superior to my elephant example. Painting does require real skills. Experience teaches you technique. Light and shadows are nothing but that but a skilled painter will not give two people examining his/her painting walk away with two different &#8220;interpretation&#8221; but a single concrete emotion.   Splashing colors on top of each other is child&#8217;s play. That just makes people wonder what the hell you were thinking and you did it because you don&#8217;t know how to observe your own mind/emotion. Smoke some weed and get some real inspiration, because I believe bud helps you sslllooooww down, so you can examine yourself-your mind-your environment and your feelings. Before you argue about drug use, ancient cilivization used it to see &#8216;visions&#8217; and drew that on the cave walls. Second: How many great painters where consider crazy? Art isn&#8217;t just about painting. How many musicians were high? Were they as good as the sober ones? They tapped into something that isn&#8217;t real and made it real through emotions. The Government can restrict that, but we&#8217;re just animals and after us is a beast, an elephant that does abstract &#8216;art&#8217;. My last thought: If you don&#8217;t want to do drugs then don&#8217;t sleep. Same effect. I bet you didn&#8217;t know that. Good day. </p>
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<blockquote><p><i>Clearly, you are not smoking ENOUGH weed. I mean, perhaps if you get high <u>enough</u>, you&#8217;ll finally grasp the true nature of art. Or not. Either way, however, I&#8217;ve covered this subject in a comprehensive manner so I&#8217;m not going to rehash it here. Someday, little one, &#8211; if you truly strive to transcend &#8211; you will know enough to discuss this subject with me.</i> &#8212; Pagani</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Michael J. Longo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael J. Longo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 05:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a second year student at York U, for visual arts; drawing and painting. The single largest problem with art education is caused by the modernist movement. Most Universities only teach abstract or conceptual art. This is truly pathetic, and I will tell you why. You have artists who are being forced to paint abstractly who have never been trained to draw what they see. It is the equivalent of a hockey player who does not know how to skate. 

I will be attending the Toronto Academy of Realist Art. They will provide me with formal art training that is lacking at the university level. I strongly suggest you google the Art Renewal Center; as Art Renewal is a 21st Century Art Movement while abstractionism was 20th century art movement.

Simply put, not only is abstract art detrimental to young artists as it stunts their training, but it is indisputably no longer new. The 21st Century art world is moving back to representational art because it can more effectively communicate ideas that abstract art simply cannot do.

Additionally, (and I am speaking from my University experience) nearly every student at my school who creates abstract paintings cannot draw. We&#039;re talking 200+ &quot;abstract&quot; artists who can not draw out of maybe 202 abstract artists at my school. Look up Art Renewal. There are people today who are creating real art. Stop this oppressive abstract bullshit now.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;The Artist Replies:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

You make some interesting points. I agree about the importance of accurate drawing and I believe that it is part of the process of developing the mind of an artist - though not necessarily an end in itself. I love representational art as a personal matter. However, I think you need to take a step back and remind yourself that art is an aesthetic. You either like something or you don&#039;t. It is not a guidepost to life nor is it sign of the apocalypse. Therefore if there is any &quot;bullshit&quot; out there, it is the idea that there is some grand higher purpose to which we all must aspire.

Now we get into the problems, and they are many: I know you don&#039;t want to hear it, but representational art has never been oppressed. It HAS (occasionally) fallen out of favor in part because there is so seldom anything that rises above the mass of millions of representational artists and paintings. But when did you ever see a mob gathered around a pile of burning landscape paintings, hmm? The idea that some type of art is being oppressed is one of those persecution-complex myths from which the unsuccessful suffer. My advice, therefore: if you love to paint people or landscapes or whatever, just do it and stop worrying about what others think.

In reality, most galleries I visit are &lt;u&gt;full&lt;/u&gt; of representational art. And as a personal observation, my own representational art outsells my abstract art by at least 10 to 1. There&#039;s a simple reason: it is the easiest to sell. &lt;u&gt;Everyone&lt;/u&gt; &quot;gets&quot; representational art. Even a low grade moron knows a pretty sunset when he/she sees it. In fact, there has NEVER been a time when representational art was NOT the &quot;art of the masses.&quot; That doesn&#039;t make it good or bad, it just means that if you want to sell a lot of paintings, you need to be a representational artist. Finally, if you need further proof that oppression of representational art is myth, I will remind you that the  richest living artist  - indeed, the richest artist the world has EVER seen - is a representational artist; &lt;b&gt;Thomas Kinkade&lt;/b&gt;. If that&#039;s oppression, give me a heaping handful, thank you. 

Worst of all, however (and I will discuss this ONLY because you brought it up);  the &quot;art renewal&quot; movement, of which I have been aware for decades, is far from the benign &quot;values-oriented&quot; art movement as it wishes to be portrayed. Rather, it is a complex anti-intellectual movement with strong (and extreme) political and religious overtones.

Whether you prefer one kind of art over another is a matter of personal taste. When you insist on politicizing taste, as the art renewal movement does, you have entered a danger zone that is much scarier than you may imagine.

As I&#039;ve often said, if you ever wonder what is wrong with the world today, it may all be summed up in this; in much of the Western world, calling someone an intellectual is considered an insult.

Thank you for bringing your unique perspective to this discussion. &lt;i&gt;-- Pagani&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a second year student at York U, for visual arts; drawing and painting. The single largest problem with art education is caused by the modernist movement. Most Universities only teach abstract or conceptual art. This is truly pathetic, and I will tell you why. You have artists who are being forced to paint abstractly who have never been trained to draw what they see. It is the equivalent of a hockey player who does not know how to skate. </p>
<p>I will be attending the Toronto Academy of Realist Art. They will provide me with formal art training that is lacking at the university level. I strongly suggest you google the Art Renewal Center; as Art Renewal is a 21st Century Art Movement while abstractionism was 20th century art movement.</p>
<p>Simply put, not only is abstract art detrimental to young artists as it stunts their training, but it is indisputably no longer new. The 21st Century art world is moving back to representational art because it can more effectively communicate ideas that abstract art simply cannot do.</p>
<p>Additionally, (and I am speaking from my University experience) nearly every student at my school who creates abstract paintings cannot draw. We&#8217;re talking 200+ &#8220;abstract&#8221; artists who can not draw out of maybe 202 abstract artists at my school. Look up Art Renewal. There are people today who are creating real art. Stop this oppressive abstract bullshit now.</p>
<blockquote><p><i><b>The Artist Replies:</b></i></p>
<p>You make some interesting points. I agree about the importance of accurate drawing and I believe that it is part of the process of developing the mind of an artist &#8211; though not necessarily an end in itself. I love representational art as a personal matter. However, I think you need to take a step back and remind yourself that art is an aesthetic. You either like something or you don&#8217;t. It is not a guidepost to life nor is it sign of the apocalypse. Therefore if there is any &#8220;bullshit&#8221; out there, it is the idea that there is some grand higher purpose to which we all must aspire.</p>
<p>Now we get into the problems, and they are many: I know you don&#8217;t want to hear it, but representational art has never been oppressed. It HAS (occasionally) fallen out of favor in part because there is so seldom anything that rises above the mass of millions of representational artists and paintings. But when did you ever see a mob gathered around a pile of burning landscape paintings, hmm? The idea that some type of art is being oppressed is one of those persecution-complex myths from which the unsuccessful suffer. My advice, therefore: if you love to paint people or landscapes or whatever, just do it and stop worrying about what others think.</p>
<p>In reality, most galleries I visit are <u>full</u> of representational art. And as a personal observation, my own representational art outsells my abstract art by at least 10 to 1. There&#8217;s a simple reason: it is the easiest to sell. <u>Everyone</u> &#8220;gets&#8221; representational art. Even a low grade moron knows a pretty sunset when he/she sees it. In fact, there has NEVER been a time when representational art was NOT the &#8220;art of the masses.&#8221; That doesn&#8217;t make it good or bad, it just means that if you want to sell a lot of paintings, you need to be a representational artist. Finally, if you need further proof that oppression of representational art is myth, I will remind you that the  richest living artist  &#8211; indeed, the richest artist the world has EVER seen &#8211; is a representational artist; <b>Thomas Kinkade</b>. If that&#8217;s oppression, give me a heaping handful, thank you. </p>
<p>Worst of all, however (and I will discuss this ONLY because you brought it up);  the &#8220;art renewal&#8221; movement, of which I have been aware for decades, is far from the benign &#8220;values-oriented&#8221; art movement as it wishes to be portrayed. Rather, it is a complex anti-intellectual movement with strong (and extreme) political and religious overtones.</p>
<p>Whether you prefer one kind of art over another is a matter of personal taste. When you insist on politicizing taste, as the art renewal movement does, you have entered a danger zone that is much scarier than you may imagine.</p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve often said, if you ever wonder what is wrong with the world today, it may all be summed up in this; in much of the Western world, calling someone an intellectual is considered an insult.</p>
<p>Thank you for bringing your unique perspective to this discussion. <i>&#8211; Pagani</i></p></blockquote>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
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		<description>WELL SAID!!!  It can be incredibly frustrating to hear someone comment about how simple abstract is and anyone can do it.  That is so untrue!!  I have to agree with you that abstract painting is by far the most difficult to produce and coordinate and I&#039;m speaking from my own experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WELL SAID!!!  It can be incredibly frustrating to hear someone comment about how simple abstract is and anyone can do it.  That is so untrue!!  I have to agree with you that abstract painting is by far the most difficult to produce and coordinate and I&#8217;m speaking from my own experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Deth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Deth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this site from another site. It&#039;s easy to get lost on the net. &lt;br /&gt;
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Look, the previous poster is full of crap. While anyone can make random lines or splotches of colors, only an artist can coordinate colors and space to create a thing of beauty.&lt;br /&gt;
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You are right on, Pagani, when you talk about the power of abstract art. Authoritative types fear abstract art and want to destroy it. KEEP FIGHTING!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this site from another site. It&#8217;s easy to get lost on the net. </p>
<p>Look, the previous poster is full of crap. While anyone can make random lines or splotches of colors, only an artist can coordinate colors and space to create a thing of beauty.</p>
<p>You are right on, Pagani, when you talk about the power of abstract art. Authoritative types fear abstract art and want to destroy it. KEEP FIGHTING!</p>
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